I had to think about this for a minute. Leading in to yesterday there seemed to be a lot of buzz that a scoring winger was coming to town. There also seemed to be the notion that Staal was about to leave. Instead we saw subtle modifications to our current lineup. The subtraction of Satan but the addition of Guerin and Adams. Our team went from little grit to about the same amount of grit we had last year, if not more. We don’t have the elite scorer in Hossa but do we really need that player? So bascially looking at what we were two weeks ago, to what the team is like now, Shero has definetly made some improvements. Then take into consideration who was out there and I had to give him an A rating.
bag o' pucks
Mar 5, 11:53 AM
I gave Shero an A because B+ wasn’t available and I rounded up. All things considered, he did what a GM is supposed to do: evaluate his club and address weak areas. The club was soff, but it is much less so now.
Losing Whitney is a big deal, but so is adding Kunitz and Tangradi. He added Guerin and Adams for, virtually, a waiver transaction fee and a mid-round draft pick. All three of those guys have won a Stanley Cup, all three are hard-wired to go into traffic areas regardless of the punishment they might take, all three will fight when necessary, and all three have solid reps as good team/locker room guys. Kunitz will probably be a Pen for the duration of his contract. Guerin will be gone after the playoffs (should there be any). Adams may be retained to fill a role next year, he’s cheap and is a solid NHL citizen. Frankly, he’s a “Bylsma” type player.
People bitch that Guerin didn’t do much for the Sharks a couple years ago. Well, the Sharks acquired Guerin for two roster players and a 1st rd pick. The Sharks had a right to be disappointed. The Pens got the guy for, at most, a third. If he scores as much as Dupuis he’ll have earned his keep. Not to mention the room he’ll create with that wide frame, going to the net, into the corners. He’s a nice add for the cost.
The Pens have three LWs with staggered contracts: Kunitz (three more years), Dupuis (two), and Cooke (one). They now have three legit LW prospects Caputi, Tangradi & Zabotel, the latter two of which will turn pro next season. Maybe Dupuis shifts back to RW, maybe he’s dealt at the draft. Regardless, Shero has done a nice job of filling some lineup holes and adding a solid prospect.
I give a “B” grade, as I am not a huge Guerin fan and never was. With that being said, for what Shero gave up, you can’t go wrong — unless, of course, he is a locker room killer (Jokinen, anyone?) which he isn’t supposed to be.
I would have liked to have seen a faceoff specialist for the fourth line, as Zigomanis’ removal from the lineup due to injury was about the time the Penguins got into their losing ways. I also would have liked to have seen one legitimate player to add defensive depth. I’m not talking about Morris, Bouwmeester or other big names, but rather a Kyle McLaren type player — someone who would be a healthy scratch, but who can be reliable if called upon. Wozniewski is a mess and won’t step foot in the NHL with the Pens. Heck, Richmond would have been a better option, though I suspect his part in the inappropriate team behavior ultimately led to his trade.
So to kind of grade these individually, based on what roles they will fill…
Kunitz/Tangradi for Whitney: A
Guerin for a conditional pick no higher than round 3: B
Adams from waivers: A
Wozniewski for Richmand: D
Overall: B
Ben Schmidt
Mar 5, 12:15 PM
By including the Whitney for Kunitz+Tangradi deal, I had to give this an A.
Whitney for Kunitz and Tangradi was dealing from a position of depth for a position of weakness. Kunitz meshed instantly with the Pens, and seems to be rubbing off on Staal. Kunitz’ impact may well not just be on the scoresheet in the long-run, and that’s a good thing. Additionally, the Pens got a highly rated prospect in Tangradi, at a position the Pens are weak in. Great trade. This trade alone is an A+.
Adams was a waiver pickup. He’s basically an upgrade over Wallace, and he cost the team nothing. It’s hard to give an A to a move that won’t have a huge impact, but at the same time, I can’t give a low grade to a move that has no downside (worst case scenario, Adams goes back on waivers and Wallace comes back up). When you can upgrade your roster for free, the move has to be considered an A, even if it is a minor move.
The Guerin trade was one I dreaded… until I discovered that the Pens basically got him for free as well. Consider this: the Pens got a third round pick from Tampa Bay for the negotiating rights to Malone and Roberts – two players the Pens knew they would not be able to re-sign. That pick was basically a free pick for the Pens. Now they’ve acquired Guerin for what could become, at most, a third-round pick. In fact, it was stated in one of today’s papers that the third-rounder the Pens would give the Islanders in that case would be their own, and not the one they got from Tampa Bay. With that pick being free, and likely a better pick than the Pens’ own third rounder, Guerin becomes free. Again, when you can improve the roster without giving up anything (and Guerin is definitely an improvement over Satan), I have to give an A.
The players themselves might not rank as A’s (well, okay, Kunitz does), but the trades do, because of how the team did not have to give up too much in return. By the time the draft rolls around, the end-effect is that the Pens gave up Whitney, and got back three roster players and a prospect in return. I simply have to give that an A.
TheOneAndOnlySurge
Mar 5, 12:24 PM
Ben thats a great break down. Guerin might not be a superstar but I think he will be just what the doctor ordered. If not well then we lose a late round pick. I fail to see a negative side to that.
BallofHate
Mar 5, 12:25 PM
Congrats, Tom, “Waive (Boucher), waive Garon and bring Curry and Lovejoy and Satan up.” That’s the dumbest thing typed on the site since Rob and his “trade Crosby” were banished.
All you ever type is stuff about bringing up every prospect in the system to replace guys on the roster. If it were up to you the Pens would be comprised of nothing but rookies. Do you even think before you type this stuff?
Bring up Curry? If mgmt was confident that Curry was ready do you think they even acquire Garon? Not to mention that should either Fleury or Curry get hurt the Pens have, let’s see, Adam Berkhoel (on an AHL deal) and Dave Brown (now in the E, lost his AHL job to Berkhoel). Now that’s great depth, Tom!
Lovejoy might make the club next season, or he might remain the #1 in WB/S. I’ve also seen you talk about Mormina and the new guy, Wozniewski, taking Gill’s spot next year. They just aren’t NHLers. Mormina is the Gill of the AHL. If he’s slow by AHL standards what would NHL forwards do to him? And Woz? No. Just no.
Your lineup suggestions would put the Pens right back in the draft lottery.
RelentlessForecheck
Mar 5, 12:43 PM
It was a pretty interesting day; not nearly what people have come to expect on deadline day. Some of the biggest names circulated around the rumor mill had extremely high pricetags that, as it turned out, teams were simply unwilling to pay. With the exception of both Phoenix and Toronto, there weren’t many assets out there that teams felt had to be moved. Ottawa, expected to generate a lot of noise, only ended up parting ways with Vermette. Florida ended up holding Bouwmeester after all, and Anaheim kept both Pronger and Neidermeyer. With a lot of teams holding UFAs, the lead-up to July 1 may prove much more interesting than March 4…
From the Pens perspective, I think Shero did above average. The Kunitz/Tangradi acquisition was a fantastic move which provided instant dividends and will continue to do so for a few more seasons. Bill Guerin would have been considered a marked improvement had it not required burying Miro Satan. Picking up Adams off the waiver wire does add a bit more gristle, but in reality it only means the Pens can finish out the season without a fill-in from WBS (Wallace, Jeffrey, Thomas) on the fourth line. So, ultimately the Pens get a bit more net presence, some more shots on goal, and hopefully the ability to roll two PP units. Mostly for the Kunitz deal, I have Shero a B.
And honestly, I would have picked up Ales Kotalik off of Buffalo for a second round pick. Even over Guerin…
Jon
Mar 5, 12:44 PM
I was just happy that Shero didn’t trade any good assets for rentals. I was hoping the team would wait until free agency to make any big moves, and seems like that is the direction they are headed.
Jon
Mar 5, 12:45 PM
Not sure the Sabres would’ve traded Kotalik to the Pens. They are both fighting for bottom seeds. Probably didn’t want to deal with the Pens.
bag o' pucks
Mar 5, 01:46 PM
Forecheck, yes, I think there will be much activity at the draft.
The Ducks just couldn’t trade Pronger now. They won’t until they have confirmation on whether Niedermeyer is going to retire or return to play in 09-10, and I’m sure they’ll ask him to provide them with that answer by mid-June, (whether they’ll get it is another issue). If Niedermeyer decides to play, Pronger will be dealt. If Nieds retires, the Ducks keep Pronger.
I think the Pens might do some dealing, as well. I have a feeling Dupuis will be available. No real reason, just a hunch that Shero would like to use that money towards re-signing Tenk. Eaton, he’s a question mark. If Shero can find a taker, would he deal Eaton? Perhaps. The only guys who are locks to return on the blue-line are Sarge, Orpik & Letang. Could be a substantially different defensive core next year.
If the Pens sign Bortuzzo, Muzzin & Strait next year, along with Grant they can dump guys like Mormina, Cote & Wozniewski. But then they’re young. Really young. And that’s not Shero/Fletcher’s MO. They like to have a few career minor-leaguers, 4th/5th year pros around. Look at Gogo, he’s the most likely to move up next year, and he’s currently the youngest d-man in WB/S (D’Aversa is in Wheeling because he was naughty). Signing all of those youngsters would make Engelland the only veteran of the bunch. Not a lot of depth there, unless some of the youngsters start in Wheeling like Nick Johnson did this season.
Pens1967
Mar 5, 02:06 PM
I gave the trades a C, but mostly because Kunitz seems to be working out very well. Adams and Guerin, meh. I think the Pens could get the same “grit” out of Jeff Taffe and he’s already familiar with their system as they will from Adams.
For what they paid, Adams off waivers and Guerin for, at most, a 3rd round pick, it’s worth the gamble I suppose. I can’t see Guerin being paired with Crosby or Malkin as he’s too old and slow to play as many minutes as either of those lines will play. Maybe he’ll be with with Staal to replace Kunitz.
TheOneAndOnlySurge
Mar 5, 02:20 PM
@Pens, a lot of proffesional analysts would disagree with your thoughts on Guerin. Many have refered to him as having speed and a good shot. He also is willing to play infront of the net and in the corners. I just think he will be a better fit than Satan and will hopefully give us another spark like Kunitz has so far.
BallofHate
Mar 5, 03:14 PM
Hi Tom!! Hitting and skating alone do not an NHL player make. Rico Fata was a great skater and quite gritty. But he had the hockey sense of a marble. Mormina and Woz are not prospects, not young guys. If Wozniewski and Mormina were NHLer caliber d-men, they would be NHL d-men by now. Rather than the career minor-leaguers they are.
Gill is slooowwww, absolutely, but he has very good anticipation and hockey sense. That is what has allowed him to survive this far into the so-called New NHL. I’ll be surprised if Mormina or Woz (or Gill, for that matter) are with the organization next year. The Pens have a lot of young players ready to turn pro and start in WB/S next season. Guys like Mor & Woz are a dime a dozen. However, like BagO’ said above, if you promote Gogo and Lovejoy next year, the org is very young along the blueline, and that probably won’t cut it when the injuries begin.
My favorite comment of your might be about Adams, and how he’s a career fourth liner. Well…that’s why the Pens picked him up! The difference between a career fourth liner and guys like James, Minard, et al, is that Adams is good enough to be a career fourth liner. The guys in WB/S are cup-of-coffee guys. You plug them in when you must, in dire straits, then you send ‘em right back down when you can get your career NHLers back in the lineup. See: Aucoin, Giroux, Krog, etc.
‘67, Guerin still has good wheels. He isn’t slow. And is he isn’t terrified of contact, unlike Satan. The playoffs are often about grit and grinding. Guerin will do that. Satan never will. It’s time for him to return to Europe, along with Pesonen.
Moq
Mar 5, 03:57 PM
Though I’m not overly familiar with the grading system, my estimation is a solid ‘B’ for Shero’s effort. I expected minor adjustments after the Kunitz deal, which was the trade deadline result. Honestly, I’m not really a fan of Bill Guerin, and his exact skill deterioration with age needs a closer look, but he offers a better skillset for the hockey we’ll be playing down the stretch.
Adams is nothing more than a Godard replacement, especially for the playoffs, ie. someone capable of playing a full game of hockey in a limited role without being a liability to the team.
Personally, I would have liked a defensive addition or replacement to complete the trade picture. Apart from the AHL swap, that wasn’t in the cards.
BallofHate
Mar 5, 05:28 PM
Forget that big list you made up. Who are the guys who are locks to be with the big club next season? Not your opinion. Not what you estimate they’ll be signed for. Who are the absolute, write it down in pen, this roster spot taken guys?
Moq
Mar 5, 08:00 PM
Tom, you’re probably right about the necessity of adding a couple of current WBS players during training camp. The likes of Goligoski, Lovejoy, Curry and perhaps Caputi – or another forward – will have a decent chance of finding a spot on the roster. But I see that particular part of the future as unrelated to a ridiculous waiver party before the (potential) playoffs. (And I’m not sure you can waive a player on IR, ie. Boucher).
Structuring the roster for 2009-2010 will require some financial finesse by Shero, but it is possible to juggle the salaries without adding half the WBS team. And I think the WBS organization would appreciate that.
ballofhate
Mar 5, 08:25 PM
Tom, who would you prefer to keep: Dupuis or Fedotenko? Eaton or Scuderi?
DaBich
Mar 5, 10:14 PM
I’ll go with the “B” as well. The Kunitz trade rates it at that, at least.
I’m expecting someting from Guerin, maybe not on Sid’s line, but something.
DAVID SCOTT
Mar 6, 01:36 AM
I gave Shero a “B”.
It was a “C” Draft Day and, grading on a curve, Shero was ahead.
Was there more to be had? The GM’s won’t tell, so we’ll never really know. But, based on the moves that WERE made, there were few moves that Shero could have made that would have improved the team outside the ones he made without mortgaging the farm.
What I don’t understand is all this hate on Guerin. He played on the worst team in the league and only Malkin, Crosby, Sykora and Kunitz have more points than him! He has experience playing with top flight playmakers, and brings a veteran leadership hat has been missed this entire season.
Shero done did good on a Trade Deadline day that featured no Ronnie Francis or Hossa type deals. He gave up next to nothing and filled out some key needs.
I just wonder if we, as fans, got spoiled by the Patrick early days with the Ronnie Francis (et al.) type trade or the Sher Blockbuster Hossa Deal, that the role playing moves that can change the complexion and depth of a team are considered substandard.
@David, I think there were plenty of players available. I read that Pronger was out there, Bouwmeester was out there, Gaborik was out there, Frolov was out there…and these all were pretty much confirmed by their general managers. The problem, as you said, was that Shero — and other GMs for that matter — weren’t willing to sell the farm for a quick fix. And for the Penguins, that’s a good thing.
As for Guerin, I think the hate comes from several angles. First, we’re talking about a 38-year-old. Recent history shows that aging player just haven’t done well in Pittsburgh. Recchi, Leclair, Sydor, Boucher, and to a lesser extent, Roberts all have struggled and were “pushed out.” Logically, fans will be skeptical about another aging player who is a shell of his former self.
Add in that, despite his captain status on the worst team in the league, there have been some stories suggesting he has had some run-ins with young teammates in the past, including an on-ice training camp incident that ended with Guerin cross-checking a teammate’s neck. It seems a bit overblown, but it’s still not good for a supposed leader.
Lastly, there is the idea that Guerin signed a two-year, $9 million contract to play for one of the league’s worst teams. That’s not the sign of a player dying for another Cup, but rather a player dying for one last big payday.
All that can be wiped out, though, if he continues to play as he did last night — which I think is legitimately possible.
DAVID SCOTT
Mar 6, 01:35 PM
“I read that Pronger was out there, Bouwmeester was out there, Gaborik was out there, Frolov was out there…and these all were pretty much confirmed by their general managers.”
The players you mentioned were dangled to get a huge return, which nobody was willing to do. I really don’t see Pronger moving until this summer, depending on what Scotty does. Shero would have had to change the entire complexion of the team to get any of those guys, and that was not needed. The fact that NO GM felt the asking prices were reasonable suggests that they were bait for a foolish GM, and would not have been a good aquisition.
As for the age issue, these seasoned players you mentioned were vital for the locker room and the development of the players. I don’t think Malone becomes the player we all miss without Leclair. The teams attitude was definitely influenced heavily (in a good way that lead us to the SCF) by the likes of the Wreckin’ Ball and Roberts.
Guerin brings size and grit along with a willingness to SHOOTTHEPUCK that has been missing on Crosby’s line ALL year (and longer). As we saw last night, Guerin is willing to dig the puck out of the corners and off the boards, make great passes and play in the hard areas of the ice. This opens the play up for Sid and makes oppositions think twice before taking “liberties” with Sid.
I know he is not the Billy Guerin of 5 years ago, but what he brings, beyond he tangibles on the ice, are the intangibles of a player that has “been there – done that”
As for his signing a 2 year deal with the Islanders, I think that was a wake up call for Guerin. He has been considered such an elite player for so long, I think he got a taste of what it means that “teams win cups” with the isles. If he can take that lesson, he has a lot to bring to this Pens team.
ballofhate
Mar 6, 08:46 PM
Hi Tom, actually, I meant whom would you prefer between Tenk or Dupuis. Then, as a separate question, whom would you prefer between Eaton or Scuderi. No matter. Though Tenk is $2.25M, not $2.5M, Scuds is $.7125M.
You’re concerned about the Pens cap situation, and for good reason. Any team that has nearly $39M tied up in seven players is going to have some issues.
I see ten guys who are locks to be back: Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Kunitz, Sarge, Orpik, Letang, Fleury, Cooke, Goddard. And two guys who are very likely to be back because they provide pretty good bang for the buck: Talbot, Kennedy.
Can the Pens really keep both Tenk & Dupuis? Both Eaton & Scuds? Bibs said something important last night: role definition. Dupuis has played on the first line, third line, PK, he’s versatile. But, as of now it looks like he’s lost his top six role to Tenk. They can’t afford to pay a bottom six forward $1.4M. So, either Dupuis is dealt and Tenk is re-signed; or Dupuis is Malkin’s LW next year and Tenk walks.
Pretty much the same deal with Eaton and Scuds. Eaton was re-signed largely, at least IMO, in the event that Orpik went elsewhere as a UFA last summer. But the Pens can’t keep both unless Scuds takes a monster discount. Which he isn’t going to do, because you can bet his agent’s starting point will be what Eaton makes.
So you’re right that low priced guys will have to popluate the depth roles. Where we differ is that rooks are the answer. I would rather have Adams and Zigo playing 6-8 minutes of fourth line time at between $.6-.7M, than Tangradi and Veilleux. Especially when Tangradi and Veilleux have a higher cap hit and I can instead have them playing 20 mintues in WB/S in all situations for $80K and no waiver risk. That’s a no brainer and goes for just about all the 1st/2nd year guys.
So, I think those rooks won’t be the answer. Gogo, yes. Lovejoy, Curry, maybe. I’m doubtful Thomas, Taffe, Minard, et al, have the grit that Shero/Bylsma want in their bottom six. So, I think we can expect Shero to make some deals at the draft. I don’t think the 14 guys under contract will all be back next year.
ballofhate
Mar 7, 09:28 PM
Yes, I was using Tangradi/Veilleux as examples, whether CPZ/Jeffrey/Caputi are inserted isn’t the point. And, actually, have you seen what Veilleux has done since he returned from his shoulder injury? 18 points in nine games, and he’s acquired 43 PIMs in 26 games. I don’t think he’s less gritty than Zabs. Although that also isn’t the point. I think they’re both studs and will welcome them both into the fold in the fall. Provided Zabs signs (Veilleux’ already under contract at a cap hit of $.875M/per).
The upside to having guys like Adams and Ziggy playing on the fourth line is that they are acutely aware of their role, and they play that way on the cheap. I’m not concerned with their lack of offensive upside. They’re there to win important faceoffs, in the case of Ziggy, and wear down opposing d-men in the corners on the forecheck, Adams. I’m sure you’ve noticed that fourth liners don’t get a lot of third period ice-time. If they’ve done their job well in the first two frames, opposing D will be feeling those effects while trying to deal with Geno and Sid in the third. Guys like Adams don’t need that explained to them in camp.
It’s far more important to have guys like Tangradi & Zabotel play in the AHL, where they can play against bigger, stronger guys than they encountered in junior, and where they can log a boatload of minutes per night. As much as I like Tangradi/Veilleux/Zabotel/Caputi/Jeffrey, etc, etc., they aren’t Sid or Geno, or even Staal, and just aren’t ready for the NHL. In most cases, anyway.
When you have good organizational depth with guys like Ziggy, Adams, Talbot & Kennedy, you can afford to bring the kids along at a steady pace. Take Caputi, for example, he’s a stud and will score plenty of goals for Pittsburgh. One day. Apparently, he has a few off-ice things to learn, a bit of maturing to do, before he’s ready to be an NHLer. As you well know, he’s presently sorting out one of those lessons in the Wheelhouse. Such is the way with many 20-yr olds who might think they’re the cat’s pajamas a wee bit too early.
Hell, with Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Letang, Gogo, Kennedy, Fleury, Talbot, and maybe Curry & Lovejoy next season, the Pens already have plenty of kids in their lineup (regardless of their particular experience level). A few veterans who’ve been around the block and can maybe show off that Cup ring are what the Pens need.
I don’t see any problems with Ziggy and the cap. He’ll be cheaper than the majority of the kids we discussed, and he’s better, right now, at what the Pens need in that role.
Yes, it’s been fun solving the Pen’s cap issues with you. I rousted you a bit early on, but maybe I just miss picking on Rob and his “trade Crosby” rabble…
bag o' pucks
Mar 8, 06:41 PM
Also important to remember is that playing young kids on the fourth line is more likely to stunt that offensive development than playing them 20+ mins/per game in the AHL.
Talbot came up very young, as did Kennedy. But neither of those guys were projected to be top six forwards. The Pens likely have higher hopes for Tangradi, Zabotel, Caputi, etc. They won’t be rushed, they’ll probably be allowed to develop their skills in the minors, as they should.
Tom, you’re seriously mistaken if you thin the Penguins will graduate all of Tangradi, Jeffrey, Caputi, CPZ, Lovejoy and Mormina.
I’d bet on Jeffrey, Wallace and Lovejoy as being the only potentials, with Caputi being a mid-season type deal. And even those four may not be locks. Pesonen has proven not NHL worthy, and Mormina is the Hal Gill of the AHL. He is not going to be here next year and, really, I’d be surprised if he ever spends significant time in the NHL.
Tangradi and CPZ are playing great hockey, but they will need time in the AHL to transition to a pro game, as most prospects do.
Your obsession with rushing prospects is unfounded and not based on reality. Have patience. These players will get here soon enough…once they’ve earned it.
In the meantime, Ray Shero will find a way to fill out his roster, just as he did this season, when no one thought he would be able to replace Hossa, Malone, Roberts, Ruutu, Laraque, Conklin and others.
Let’s worry about this season, considering the Penguins are battling for a playoff spot and that should be plenty exciting and should provide a reason to look at the now, not the tomorrow.
I prefer to enjoy watching the games now. There will be plenty of time in the offseason to discuss the promotion of prospects and signing of free agents.
And, to add, I did an extended article on this topic a while back, in which I dissected the roster and made suggestions. It’s not something I’ve ignored. In fact, it’s something I find very fascinating. But not in the middle of a playoff race.
As you will see, it’s not as impossible to do, as you suggest — even though some of the names in my article clearly are now different (namely Whitney and Kunitz).
I’m not that worried about it at this point. There’s too much hockey to be played THIS season to be looking to next season and beyond.
BallofHate
Mar 9, 04:00 PM
Although Matt and BagoPucks have done extensive and very insightful work on this topic, I’ll keep playing. Coz I’m bored. So, once more and I’m out. Here’s the way I see 09-10 or, actually, one of the many ways:
Gonchar 5.0 – Orpik 3.75
Eaton 2.0 – Letang .835
Gogo 1.25 – Lovejoy .55
Random 7th d-man at .525
Cap hit defense: 13.91
Fleury 5.0
Curry .525
Goalie cap hit: 5.525
Total club cap hit: 54.51
The Pens generally carry 22 on the active roster, not 23.
The above salaries account for: A 3M cap hit for Sykora, which would be on a three-year deal, reportedly he asked for 3yrs/10M, and that third year is very important to him. If he wants the third year, then he comes down to 3M. If not, whatev, add .33M to his cap hit. A 25K raise for Ziggy, Adams & Curry. A reduction in a cap hit for Lovejoy by offering him a one-way deal. Gogo’s number based on a two-year deal in which he’s qual’d for the first year at just under 1M and the second year at 1.5M. This is a common Shero tactic and what he did for Fleury and Kennedy.
The 13th forward would be a versatile guy, perhaps a Taffe or Thomas type player. Not Minard or Pesonen, too one dimensional and not NHL-caliber at their one dimension. Satan and Pes will be playing in Europe next year. The 7th d-man would likely be a defensive d-man. I’d expect a guy like Nate Guenin to be let go from Philly as they lose their AHL affiliate. Not specifying Guenin, just an example (although he’s more of a possibility than a guy like Mormina).
The rooks and younger second year guys start the season in WB/S. Work them skills boys, play them big minutes!
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Comments
TheOneAndOnlySurge
Mar 5, 11:33 AM
I had to think about this for a minute. Leading in to yesterday there seemed to be a lot of buzz that a scoring winger was coming to town. There also seemed to be the notion that Staal was about to leave. Instead we saw subtle modifications to our current lineup. The subtraction of Satan but the addition of Guerin and Adams. Our team went from little grit to about the same amount of grit we had last year, if not more. We don’t have the elite scorer in Hossa but do we really need that player? So bascially looking at what we were two weeks ago, to what the team is like now, Shero has definetly made some improvements. Then take into consideration who was out there and I had to give him an A rating.
bag o' pucks
Mar 5, 11:53 AM
I gave Shero an A because B+ wasn’t available and I rounded up. All things considered, he did what a GM is supposed to do: evaluate his club and address weak areas. The club was soff, but it is much less so now.
Losing Whitney is a big deal, but so is adding Kunitz and Tangradi. He added Guerin and Adams for, virtually, a waiver transaction fee and a mid-round draft pick. All three of those guys have won a Stanley Cup, all three are hard-wired to go into traffic areas regardless of the punishment they might take, all three will fight when necessary, and all three have solid reps as good team/locker room guys. Kunitz will probably be a Pen for the duration of his contract. Guerin will be gone after the playoffs (should there be any). Adams may be retained to fill a role next year, he’s cheap and is a solid NHL citizen. Frankly, he’s a “Bylsma” type player.
People bitch that Guerin didn’t do much for the Sharks a couple years ago. Well, the Sharks acquired Guerin for two roster players and a 1st rd pick. The Sharks had a right to be disappointed. The Pens got the guy for, at most, a third. If he scores as much as Dupuis he’ll have earned his keep. Not to mention the room he’ll create with that wide frame, going to the net, into the corners. He’s a nice add for the cost.
The Pens have three LWs with staggered contracts: Kunitz (three more years), Dupuis (two), and Cooke (one). They now have three legit LW prospects Caputi, Tangradi & Zabotel, the latter two of which will turn pro next season. Maybe Dupuis shifts back to RW, maybe he’s dealt at the draft. Regardless, Shero has done a nice job of filling some lineup holes and adding a solid prospect.
Matt Bodenschatz
Mar 5, 12:15 PM
I give a “B” grade, as I am not a huge Guerin fan and never was. With that being said, for what Shero gave up, you can’t go wrong — unless, of course, he is a locker room killer (Jokinen, anyone?) which he isn’t supposed to be.
I would have liked to have seen a faceoff specialist for the fourth line, as Zigomanis’ removal from the lineup due to injury was about the time the Penguins got into their losing ways. I also would have liked to have seen one legitimate player to add defensive depth. I’m not talking about Morris, Bouwmeester or other big names, but rather a Kyle McLaren type player — someone who would be a healthy scratch, but who can be reliable if called upon. Wozniewski is a mess and won’t step foot in the NHL with the Pens. Heck, Richmond would have been a better option, though I suspect his part in the inappropriate team behavior ultimately led to his trade.
So to kind of grade these individually, based on what roles they will fill…
Kunitz/Tangradi for Whitney: A
Guerin for a conditional pick no higher than round 3: B
Adams from waivers: A
Wozniewski for Richmand: D
Overall: B
Ben Schmidt
Mar 5, 12:15 PM
By including the Whitney for Kunitz+Tangradi deal, I had to give this an A.
Whitney for Kunitz and Tangradi was dealing from a position of depth for a position of weakness. Kunitz meshed instantly with the Pens, and seems to be rubbing off on Staal. Kunitz’ impact may well not just be on the scoresheet in the long-run, and that’s a good thing. Additionally, the Pens got a highly rated prospect in Tangradi, at a position the Pens are weak in. Great trade. This trade alone is an A+.
Adams was a waiver pickup. He’s basically an upgrade over Wallace, and he cost the team nothing. It’s hard to give an A to a move that won’t have a huge impact, but at the same time, I can’t give a low grade to a move that has no downside (worst case scenario, Adams goes back on waivers and Wallace comes back up). When you can upgrade your roster for free, the move has to be considered an A, even if it is a minor move.
The Guerin trade was one I dreaded… until I discovered that the Pens basically got him for free as well. Consider this: the Pens got a third round pick from Tampa Bay for the negotiating rights to Malone and Roberts – two players the Pens knew they would not be able to re-sign. That pick was basically a free pick for the Pens. Now they’ve acquired Guerin for what could become, at most, a third-round pick. In fact, it was stated in one of today’s papers that the third-rounder the Pens would give the Islanders in that case would be their own, and not the one they got from Tampa Bay. With that pick being free, and likely a better pick than the Pens’ own third rounder, Guerin becomes free. Again, when you can improve the roster without giving up anything (and Guerin is definitely an improvement over Satan), I have to give an A.
The players themselves might not rank as A’s (well, okay, Kunitz does), but the trades do, because of how the team did not have to give up too much in return. By the time the draft rolls around, the end-effect is that the Pens gave up Whitney, and got back three roster players and a prospect in return. I simply have to give that an A.
TheOneAndOnlySurge
Mar 5, 12:24 PM
Ben thats a great break down. Guerin might not be a superstar but I think he will be just what the doctor ordered. If not well then we lose a late round pick. I fail to see a negative side to that.
BallofHate
Mar 5, 12:25 PM
Congrats, Tom, “Waive (Boucher), waive Garon and bring Curry and Lovejoy and Satan up.” That’s the dumbest thing typed on the site since Rob and his “trade Crosby” were banished.
All you ever type is stuff about bringing up every prospect in the system to replace guys on the roster. If it were up to you the Pens would be comprised of nothing but rookies. Do you even think before you type this stuff?
Bring up Curry? If mgmt was confident that Curry was ready do you think they even acquire Garon? Not to mention that should either Fleury or Curry get hurt the Pens have, let’s see, Adam Berkhoel (on an AHL deal) and Dave Brown (now in the E, lost his AHL job to Berkhoel). Now that’s great depth, Tom!
Lovejoy might make the club next season, or he might remain the #1 in WB/S. I’ve also seen you talk about Mormina and the new guy, Wozniewski, taking Gill’s spot next year. They just aren’t NHLers. Mormina is the Gill of the AHL. If he’s slow by AHL standards what would NHL forwards do to him? And Woz? No. Just no.
Your lineup suggestions would put the Pens right back in the draft lottery.
RelentlessForecheck
Mar 5, 12:43 PM
It was a pretty interesting day; not nearly what people have come to expect on deadline day. Some of the biggest names circulated around the rumor mill had extremely high pricetags that, as it turned out, teams were simply unwilling to pay. With the exception of both Phoenix and Toronto, there weren’t many assets out there that teams felt had to be moved. Ottawa, expected to generate a lot of noise, only ended up parting ways with Vermette. Florida ended up holding Bouwmeester after all, and Anaheim kept both Pronger and Neidermeyer. With a lot of teams holding UFAs, the lead-up to July 1 may prove much more interesting than March 4…
From the Pens perspective, I think Shero did above average. The Kunitz/Tangradi acquisition was a fantastic move which provided instant dividends and will continue to do so for a few more seasons. Bill Guerin would have been considered a marked improvement had it not required burying Miro Satan. Picking up Adams off the waiver wire does add a bit more gristle, but in reality it only means the Pens can finish out the season without a fill-in from WBS (Wallace, Jeffrey, Thomas) on the fourth line. So, ultimately the Pens get a bit more net presence, some more shots on goal, and hopefully the ability to roll two PP units. Mostly for the Kunitz deal, I have Shero a B.
And honestly, I would have picked up Ales Kotalik off of Buffalo for a second round pick. Even over Guerin…
Jon
Mar 5, 12:44 PM
I was just happy that Shero didn’t trade any good assets for rentals. I was hoping the team would wait until free agency to make any big moves, and seems like that is the direction they are headed.
Jon
Mar 5, 12:45 PM
Not sure the Sabres would’ve traded Kotalik to the Pens. They are both fighting for bottom seeds. Probably didn’t want to deal with the Pens.
bag o' pucks
Mar 5, 01:46 PM
Forecheck, yes, I think there will be much activity at the draft.
The Ducks just couldn’t trade Pronger now. They won’t until they have confirmation on whether Niedermeyer is going to retire or return to play in 09-10, and I’m sure they’ll ask him to provide them with that answer by mid-June, (whether they’ll get it is another issue). If Niedermeyer decides to play, Pronger will be dealt. If Nieds retires, the Ducks keep Pronger.
I think the Pens might do some dealing, as well. I have a feeling Dupuis will be available. No real reason, just a hunch that Shero would like to use that money towards re-signing Tenk. Eaton, he’s a question mark. If Shero can find a taker, would he deal Eaton? Perhaps. The only guys who are locks to return on the blue-line are Sarge, Orpik & Letang. Could be a substantially different defensive core next year.
If the Pens sign Bortuzzo, Muzzin & Strait next year, along with Grant they can dump guys like Mormina, Cote & Wozniewski. But then they’re young. Really young. And that’s not Shero/Fletcher’s MO. They like to have a few career minor-leaguers, 4th/5th year pros around. Look at Gogo, he’s the most likely to move up next year, and he’s currently the youngest d-man in WB/S (D’Aversa is in Wheeling because he was naughty). Signing all of those youngsters would make Engelland the only veteran of the bunch. Not a lot of depth there, unless some of the youngsters start in Wheeling like Nick Johnson did this season.
Pens1967
Mar 5, 02:06 PM
I gave the trades a C, but mostly because Kunitz seems to be working out very well. Adams and Guerin, meh. I think the Pens could get the same “grit” out of Jeff Taffe and he’s already familiar with their system as they will from Adams.
For what they paid, Adams off waivers and Guerin for, at most, a 3rd round pick, it’s worth the gamble I suppose. I can’t see Guerin being paired with Crosby or Malkin as he’s too old and slow to play as many minutes as either of those lines will play. Maybe he’ll be with with Staal to replace Kunitz.
TheOneAndOnlySurge
Mar 5, 02:20 PM
@Pens, a lot of proffesional analysts would disagree with your thoughts on Guerin. Many have refered to him as having speed and a good shot. He also is willing to play infront of the net and in the corners. I just think he will be a better fit than Satan and will hopefully give us another spark like Kunitz has so far.
BallofHate
Mar 5, 03:14 PM
Hi Tom!! Hitting and skating alone do not an NHL player make. Rico Fata was a great skater and quite gritty. But he had the hockey sense of a marble. Mormina and Woz are not prospects, not young guys. If Wozniewski and Mormina were NHLer caliber d-men, they would be NHL d-men by now. Rather than the career minor-leaguers they are.
Gill is slooowwww, absolutely, but he has very good anticipation and hockey sense. That is what has allowed him to survive this far into the so-called New NHL. I’ll be surprised if Mormina or Woz (or Gill, for that matter) are with the organization next year. The Pens have a lot of young players ready to turn pro and start in WB/S next season. Guys like Mor & Woz are a dime a dozen. However, like BagO’ said above, if you promote Gogo and Lovejoy next year, the org is very young along the blueline, and that probably won’t cut it when the injuries begin.
My favorite comment of your might be about Adams, and how he’s a career fourth liner. Well…that’s why the Pens picked him up! The difference between a career fourth liner and guys like James, Minard, et al, is that Adams is good enough to be a career fourth liner. The guys in WB/S are cup-of-coffee guys. You plug them in when you must, in dire straits, then you send ‘em right back down when you can get your career NHLers back in the lineup. See: Aucoin, Giroux, Krog, etc.
‘67, Guerin still has good wheels. He isn’t slow. And is he isn’t terrified of contact, unlike Satan. The playoffs are often about grit and grinding. Guerin will do that. Satan never will. It’s time for him to return to Europe, along with Pesonen.
Moq
Mar 5, 03:57 PM
Though I’m not overly familiar with the grading system, my estimation is a solid ‘B’ for Shero’s effort. I expected minor adjustments after the Kunitz deal, which was the trade deadline result. Honestly, I’m not really a fan of Bill Guerin, and his exact skill deterioration with age needs a closer look, but he offers a better skillset for the hockey we’ll be playing down the stretch.
Adams is nothing more than a Godard replacement, especially for the playoffs, ie. someone capable of playing a full game of hockey in a limited role without being a liability to the team.
Personally, I would have liked a defensive addition or replacement to complete the trade picture. Apart from the AHL swap, that wasn’t in the cards.
BallofHate
Mar 5, 05:28 PM
Forget that big list you made up. Who are the guys who are locks to be with the big club next season? Not your opinion. Not what you estimate they’ll be signed for. Who are the absolute, write it down in pen, this roster spot taken guys?
Moq
Mar 5, 08:00 PM
Tom, you’re probably right about the necessity of adding a couple of current WBS players during training camp. The likes of Goligoski, Lovejoy, Curry and perhaps Caputi – or another forward – will have a decent chance of finding a spot on the roster. But I see that particular part of the future as unrelated to a ridiculous waiver party before the (potential) playoffs. (And I’m not sure you can waive a player on IR, ie. Boucher).
Structuring the roster for 2009-2010 will require some financial finesse by Shero, but it is possible to juggle the salaries without adding half the WBS team. And I think the WBS organization would appreciate that.
ballofhate
Mar 5, 08:25 PM
Tom, who would you prefer to keep: Dupuis or Fedotenko? Eaton or Scuderi?
DaBich
Mar 5, 10:14 PM
I’ll go with the “B” as well. The Kunitz trade rates it at that, at least.
I’m expecting someting from Guerin, maybe not on Sid’s line, but something.
DAVID SCOTT
Mar 6, 01:36 AM
I gave Shero a “B”.
It was a “C” Draft Day and, grading on a curve, Shero was ahead.
Was there more to be had? The GM’s won’t tell, so we’ll never really know. But, based on the moves that WERE made, there were few moves that Shero could have made that would have improved the team outside the ones he made without mortgaging the farm.
What I don’t understand is all this hate on Guerin. He played on the worst team in the league and only Malkin, Crosby, Sykora and Kunitz have more points than him! He has experience playing with top flight playmakers, and brings a veteran leadership hat has been missed this entire season.
Shero done did good on a Trade Deadline day that featured no Ronnie Francis or Hossa type deals. He gave up next to nothing and filled out some key needs.
I just wonder if we, as fans, got spoiled by the Patrick early days with the Ronnie Francis (et al.) type trade or the Sher Blockbuster Hossa Deal, that the role playing moves that can change the complexion and depth of a team are considered substandard.
Matt Bodenschatz
Mar 6, 10:11 AM
@David, I think there were plenty of players available. I read that Pronger was out there, Bouwmeester was out there, Gaborik was out there, Frolov was out there…and these all were pretty much confirmed by their general managers. The problem, as you said, was that Shero — and other GMs for that matter — weren’t willing to sell the farm for a quick fix. And for the Penguins, that’s a good thing.
As for Guerin, I think the hate comes from several angles. First, we’re talking about a 38-year-old. Recent history shows that aging player just haven’t done well in Pittsburgh. Recchi, Leclair, Sydor, Boucher, and to a lesser extent, Roberts all have struggled and were “pushed out.” Logically, fans will be skeptical about another aging player who is a shell of his former self.
Add in that, despite his captain status on the worst team in the league, there have been some stories suggesting he has had some run-ins with young teammates in the past, including an on-ice training camp incident that ended with Guerin cross-checking a teammate’s neck. It seems a bit overblown, but it’s still not good for a supposed leader.
Lastly, there is the idea that Guerin signed a two-year, $9 million contract to play for one of the league’s worst teams. That’s not the sign of a player dying for another Cup, but rather a player dying for one last big payday.
All that can be wiped out, though, if he continues to play as he did last night — which I think is legitimately possible.
DAVID SCOTT
Mar 6, 01:35 PM
“I read that Pronger was out there, Bouwmeester was out there, Gaborik was out there, Frolov was out there…and these all were pretty much confirmed by their general managers.”
The players you mentioned were dangled to get a huge return, which nobody was willing to do. I really don’t see Pronger moving until this summer, depending on what Scotty does. Shero would have had to change the entire complexion of the team to get any of those guys, and that was not needed. The fact that NO GM felt the asking prices were reasonable suggests that they were bait for a foolish GM, and would not have been a good aquisition.
As for the age issue, these seasoned players you mentioned were vital for the locker room and the development of the players. I don’t think Malone becomes the player we all miss without Leclair. The teams attitude was definitely influenced heavily (in a good way that lead us to the SCF) by the likes of the Wreckin’ Ball and Roberts.
Guerin brings size and grit along with a willingness to SHOOT THE PUCK that has been missing on Crosby’s line ALL year (and longer). As we saw last night, Guerin is willing to dig the puck out of the corners and off the boards, make great passes and play in the hard areas of the ice. This opens the play up for Sid and makes oppositions think twice before taking “liberties” with Sid.
I know he is not the Billy Guerin of 5 years ago, but what he brings, beyond he tangibles on the ice, are the intangibles of a player that has “been there – done that”
As for his signing a 2 year deal with the Islanders, I think that was a wake up call for Guerin. He has been considered such an elite player for so long, I think he got a taste of what it means that “teams win cups” with the isles. If he can take that lesson, he has a lot to bring to this Pens team.
ballofhate
Mar 6, 08:46 PM
Hi Tom, actually, I meant whom would you prefer between Tenk or Dupuis. Then, as a separate question, whom would you prefer between Eaton or Scuderi. No matter. Though Tenk is $2.25M, not $2.5M, Scuds is $.7125M.
You’re concerned about the Pens cap situation, and for good reason. Any team that has nearly $39M tied up in seven players is going to have some issues.
I see ten guys who are locks to be back: Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Kunitz, Sarge, Orpik, Letang, Fleury, Cooke, Goddard. And two guys who are very likely to be back because they provide pretty good bang for the buck: Talbot, Kennedy.
Can the Pens really keep both Tenk & Dupuis? Both Eaton & Scuds? Bibs said something important last night: role definition. Dupuis has played on the first line, third line, PK, he’s versatile. But, as of now it looks like he’s lost his top six role to Tenk. They can’t afford to pay a bottom six forward $1.4M. So, either Dupuis is dealt and Tenk is re-signed; or Dupuis is Malkin’s LW next year and Tenk walks.
Pretty much the same deal with Eaton and Scuds. Eaton was re-signed largely, at least IMO, in the event that Orpik went elsewhere as a UFA last summer. But the Pens can’t keep both unless Scuds takes a monster discount. Which he isn’t going to do, because you can bet his agent’s starting point will be what Eaton makes.
So you’re right that low priced guys will have to popluate the depth roles. Where we differ is that rooks are the answer. I would rather have Adams and Zigo playing 6-8 minutes of fourth line time at between $.6-.7M, than Tangradi and Veilleux. Especially when Tangradi and Veilleux have a higher cap hit and I can instead have them playing 20 mintues in WB/S in all situations for $80K and no waiver risk. That’s a no brainer and goes for just about all the 1st/2nd year guys.
So, I think those rooks won’t be the answer. Gogo, yes. Lovejoy, Curry, maybe. I’m doubtful Thomas, Taffe, Minard, et al, have the grit that Shero/Bylsma want in their bottom six. So, I think we can expect Shero to make some deals at the draft. I don’t think the 14 guys under contract will all be back next year.
ballofhate
Mar 7, 09:28 PM
Yes, I was using Tangradi/Veilleux as examples, whether CPZ/Jeffrey/Caputi are inserted isn’t the point. And, actually, have you seen what Veilleux has done since he returned from his shoulder injury? 18 points in nine games, and he’s acquired 43 PIMs in 26 games. I don’t think he’s less gritty than Zabs. Although that also isn’t the point. I think they’re both studs and will welcome them both into the fold in the fall. Provided Zabs signs (Veilleux’ already under contract at a cap hit of $.875M/per).
The upside to having guys like Adams and Ziggy playing on the fourth line is that they are acutely aware of their role, and they play that way on the cheap. I’m not concerned with their lack of offensive upside. They’re there to win important faceoffs, in the case of Ziggy, and wear down opposing d-men in the corners on the forecheck, Adams. I’m sure you’ve noticed that fourth liners don’t get a lot of third period ice-time. If they’ve done their job well in the first two frames, opposing D will be feeling those effects while trying to deal with Geno and Sid in the third. Guys like Adams don’t need that explained to them in camp.
It’s far more important to have guys like Tangradi & Zabotel play in the AHL, where they can play against bigger, stronger guys than they encountered in junior, and where they can log a boatload of minutes per night. As much as I like Tangradi/Veilleux/Zabotel/Caputi/Jeffrey, etc, etc., they aren’t Sid or Geno, or even Staal, and just aren’t ready for the NHL. In most cases, anyway.
When you have good organizational depth with guys like Ziggy, Adams, Talbot & Kennedy, you can afford to bring the kids along at a steady pace. Take Caputi, for example, he’s a stud and will score plenty of goals for Pittsburgh. One day. Apparently, he has a few off-ice things to learn, a bit of maturing to do, before he’s ready to be an NHLer. As you well know, he’s presently sorting out one of those lessons in the Wheelhouse. Such is the way with many 20-yr olds who might think they’re the cat’s pajamas a wee bit too early.
Hell, with Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Letang, Gogo, Kennedy, Fleury, Talbot, and maybe Curry & Lovejoy next season, the Pens already have plenty of kids in their lineup (regardless of their particular experience level). A few veterans who’ve been around the block and can maybe show off that Cup ring are what the Pens need.
I don’t see any problems with Ziggy and the cap. He’ll be cheaper than the majority of the kids we discussed, and he’s better, right now, at what the Pens need in that role.
Yes, it’s been fun solving the Pen’s cap issues with you. I rousted you a bit early on, but maybe I just miss picking on Rob and his “trade Crosby” rabble…
bag o' pucks
Mar 8, 06:41 PM
Also important to remember is that playing young kids on the fourth line is more likely to stunt that offensive development than playing them 20+ mins/per game in the AHL.
Talbot came up very young, as did Kennedy. But neither of those guys were projected to be top six forwards. The Pens likely have higher hopes for Tangradi, Zabotel, Caputi, etc. They won’t be rushed, they’ll probably be allowed to develop their skills in the minors, as they should.
Matt Bodenschatz
Mar 8, 08:00 PM
Tom, you’re seriously mistaken if you thin the Penguins will graduate all of Tangradi, Jeffrey, Caputi, CPZ, Lovejoy and Mormina.
I’d bet on Jeffrey, Wallace and Lovejoy as being the only potentials, with Caputi being a mid-season type deal. And even those four may not be locks. Pesonen has proven not NHL worthy, and Mormina is the Hal Gill of the AHL. He is not going to be here next year and, really, I’d be surprised if he ever spends significant time in the NHL.
Tangradi and CPZ are playing great hockey, but they will need time in the AHL to transition to a pro game, as most prospects do.
Your obsession with rushing prospects is unfounded and not based on reality. Have patience. These players will get here soon enough…once they’ve earned it.
In the meantime, Ray Shero will find a way to fill out his roster, just as he did this season, when no one thought he would be able to replace Hossa, Malone, Roberts, Ruutu, Laraque, Conklin and others.
Let’s worry about this season, considering the Penguins are battling for a playoff spot and that should be plenty exciting and should provide a reason to look at the now, not the tomorrow.
Matt Bodenschatz
Mar 8, 10:12 PM
I prefer to enjoy watching the games now. There will be plenty of time in the offseason to discuss the promotion of prospects and signing of free agents.
Matt Bodenschatz
Mar 8, 10:20 PM
And, to add, I did an extended article on this topic a while back, in which I dissected the roster and made suggestions. It’s not something I’ve ignored. In fact, it’s something I find very fascinating. But not in the middle of a playoff race.
Find the article here.
As you will see, it’s not as impossible to do, as you suggest — even though some of the names in my article clearly are now different (namely Whitney and Kunitz).
Matt Bodenschatz
Mar 9, 02:43 PM
I’m not that worried about it at this point. There’s too much hockey to be played THIS season to be looking to next season and beyond.
BallofHate
Mar 9, 04:00 PM
Although Matt and BagoPucks have done extensive and very insightful work on this topic, I’ll keep playing. Coz I’m bored. So, once more and I’m out. Here’s the way I see 09-10 or, actually, one of the many ways:
Kunitz 3.725 – Crosby 8.7 – Staal 4.0
Dupuis 1.4 – Malkin 8.7 – Sykora 3.0
Cooke 1.2 – Talbot 1.05 – Kennedy .725
Adams .625 – Ziggy .675 – Goddard .75
Random 13th forward at .525
Cap hit forwards: 35.075
Gonchar 5.0 – Orpik 3.75
Eaton 2.0 – Letang .835
Gogo 1.25 – Lovejoy .55
Random 7th d-man at .525
Cap hit defense: 13.91
Fleury 5.0
Curry .525
Goalie cap hit: 5.525
Total club cap hit: 54.51
The Pens generally carry 22 on the active roster, not 23.
The above salaries account for: A 3M cap hit for Sykora, which would be on a three-year deal, reportedly he asked for 3yrs/10M, and that third year is very important to him. If he wants the third year, then he comes down to 3M. If not, whatev, add .33M to his cap hit. A 25K raise for Ziggy, Adams & Curry. A reduction in a cap hit for Lovejoy by offering him a one-way deal. Gogo’s number based on a two-year deal in which he’s qual’d for the first year at just under 1M and the second year at 1.5M. This is a common Shero tactic and what he did for Fleury and Kennedy.
The 13th forward would be a versatile guy, perhaps a Taffe or Thomas type player. Not Minard or Pesonen, too one dimensional and not NHL-caliber at their one dimension. Satan and Pes will be playing in Europe next year. The 7th d-man would likely be a defensive d-man. I’d expect a guy like Nate Guenin to be let go from Philly as they lose their AHL affiliate. Not specifying Guenin, just an example (although he’s more of a possibility than a guy like Mormina).
The rooks and younger second year guys start the season in WB/S. Work them skills boys, play them big minutes!
The Pens cap is under $55M, and Elvis has just left the building…
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