Talbot's Absence For First Month Confirmed
Matt Bodenschatz | Pittsburgh Penguins
Jul 7, 02:55 PM | Hype this story!
Pittsburgh Penguins general manager Ray Shero today confirmed that forward Max Talbot will miss the first month of the season, if not more.
Talbot underwent successful shoulder surgery today and will be on a similar recovery track to the one Sergei Gonchar faced last fall.
If all goes well, Talbot could return to the lineup in early November, but he could also be out until December.
“Max has played with this problem for quite a while, and we all agreed it was best for him to have the surgery at this time,” general manager Ray Shero said in a statement, according to the Post-Gazette. “Although he will miss training camp and the start of the season, the doctors expect him to make a complete recovery.”
Comments
Dabich
Jul 7, 04:30 PM
Hopefully this won’t hurt his play when he returns. I’d love to see him stay on that second line.
Nate
Jul 7, 06:25 PM
Ahh! That’s why he had such “bad hands”.
Colin44
Jul 7, 09:51 PM
So this means max not only played part of this season on a broken foot but also with a bum shoulder. Dude’s a gamer.
Chewy
Jul 7, 11:54 PM
Looks like a good time for my first post here…long time Pens fan but I don’t understand the finer points like how the salary cap works in the NHL. If somebody from WBS starts the season in place of Max, how does that affect the salary cap, if at all? Also, what is a 2-way contract? How does that affect the cap and how are players able to be moved from the Pens to the Baby Pens? Thanks!!!
Moq
Jul 8, 07:24 AM
Chewy:
A player on a two-way contract has a certain salary when he plays in the NHL (example: $500K) and a different salary in the AHL (example: $40K). A player on a one-way NHL contract gets paid the same regardless of potential demotion to the AHL.
If a player from the WBS where to replace Talbot his cap hit would be according to the fraction of the season spent there multiplied by his NHL salary. The accounting procedure is days. A regular season is approc. 187 days. If a player from the WBS with a $500K salary replaced Talbot for 40 season days, the cap hit would be:
40/187 * $500K = $107K.
Moving between NHL and AHL is a little more complicated, because it may involve something called waivers. There’s moveability between the leagues until the player reaches a certain number of years, since signing the first NHL contract, AND total number of NHL games.
At a certain point the player has to clear waivers to move either way. Another team can grab a player on waivers, which puts a limitation on free movement. Sooner or later, the player has to stay up or down if he’s important to his team and perhaps interesting to others as well.
I think that’s almost correct.
Chewy
Jul 8, 10:06 AM
Thanks, MOQ. One follow-up…using your example, if somebody came up for 40 days and had the $107K hit against the cap, would that be an addition to the overall cap or would Talbot’s cap hit be lowered since he was not on the roster due to his injury?
Moq
Jul 8, 10:50 AM
Chewy:
Talbot’s total cap hit and the one for his replacement would both count against the salary cap.
In this example – 40 days and probably more than 10 games – Talbot would be eligible for LTIR (Long-Term Injury Replacement) according to the rules. That means we’ll be allowed to exceed the salary cap by an amount less or equal to Talbot’s cap hit during his injury period – the replacement sum. It’s a little complicated for a short answer.
In essence, Talbot’s injury isn’t really a cap concern unless we sign an expensive replacement. From what I gather, Talbot will be replaced internally, which removes any potential cap concerns.
Matt Bodenschatz
Jul 8, 11:34 AM
@Chewy, welcome to FF. Hopefully you will find this an informative place with quality discussion. Don’t hesitate to ask any questions, as we love teaching the game of hockey and the rules of the NHL.
As for your questions, Moq nailed them.
Chewy
Jul 8, 01:44 PM
Thanks again, MOQ!
Matt, I’ve been lurking over here for about a year but finally got tired of not knowing how the cap and free agency worked! Love the site; lots of great info over here!
Matt Bodenschatz
Jul 8, 02:09 PM
@Chewy, no reason to lurk. The more people who get involved, the better the discussions become! Thanks for the compliments…please continue to add your insight — and ask questions!
Pens1967
Jul 8, 09:21 PM
A little late with this, but P-G reported that Talbot’s temporary replacement will come from among the forwards signed with the big club or with WBS.
bag o' pucks
Jul 9, 02:06 PM
A lot of this discussion ended up in the Trading for Cap Space thread.
I wonder if perhaps we’re looking in the wrong direction with Caputi, Jeffrey, etc, as a Talbot fill-in. What about the option of moving Kennedy to Malkin’s line, Adams to Staal’s line, and keeping Biss up for a 4th line of Biss-Rupp-Godard?
I think we’ve all conceded that Rupp was, at least in part, a response to Philly adding so much sandpaper, perhaps Shero would further respond with keeping Biss with the big club, as well. I think sometimes folks forget Ray is Fred Shero’s son. Ray likes the rough stuff, himself. It was his idea to acquire Laraque and the first free agent Shero signed last summer was Godard.
Biss in the last year of his deal, so it may be make or break time for him. There are some big bodies in WB/S, including Boogaard, so Shero wouldn’t be exposing his extremely young farm club to any additional punishment by subtracting Biss from that mix.
Just a thought. It’s a bit of a stretch to keep a player based on one opponent, but I wouldn’t object to Biss-Rupp-Godard against Philly.
Colin44
Jul 9, 02:47 PM
I don’t think bissonete is a viable 4th line option at this point because of the injury he sustained in the ago playoffs. They said it would be 50-50 that he would even be able to play again.
bag o' pucks
Jul 9, 04:12 PM
Yes, it was May they said four months before he could start to really manipulate his hand. It’s doubtful. But I’m sure he could make a fist, har har.
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